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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion

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and shine a light on the conspiracies to

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good evening everybody welcome indeed to

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night vision radio i'm your host renee

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barnett

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we got a kind of a spooky show i guess

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planned for tonight maybe not maybe a

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little bit but i know

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my guest is very exciting he's an expert

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in uh southern witchcraft and southern

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magic

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and root doctoring and all those

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wonderful things uh he's a teacher he's

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an author his uh latest book is flaming

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the cauldron and he uh

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you can find him if you want to take a

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look at him while we're while we're

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talking here online

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uh his uh

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his i'm sorry his website address is

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orionfoxwood.com so have a look while

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we're chatting and i'd love for you to

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join us in the live chat room at located

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right here at inceptionradionetwork.com

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and if you have a question

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for me uh or for orion which i'm sure

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it's probably going to be more for orion

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or a comment

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throw it to me in the chat room and i'll

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be happy to try to work it into the show

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uh where it is appropriate so thanks so

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much and orion thank you for agreeing to

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come on tonight

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thank you so much for having me on i'm

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excited to be here and we got to thank

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our friend patricia baker for making our

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connection for she's a great friend a

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night vision and great friend of mine

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and and a friend of yours as well so we

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want to thank patricia

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making this connection for us so that we

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could have this show tonight i've got

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people already uh talking about the show

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in the chat room the people getting

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apparently um

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one person in particular was super

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excited and she says oh my gosh i can't

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believe i'm getting to hear him

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and it's really wild so i'm i'm happy

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and and she may be a much more an expert

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in this area than certainly i am because

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i'm not at all

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but you know when we were talking

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earlier today orion uh for just a bit

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and we talked about things like you know

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where i grew up

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i think i shared with you the story when

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i was very very young and became really

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ill and my young husband's grandmother

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was full blood choctaw and she uh

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prepared some kind of a tea or a potion

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with with deer antlers

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and had me drink it and you know i did i

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of the potion but it sure didn't hurt me

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and i know i really thought oh my gosh

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this is weird drinking deer antlers but

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uh well after i moved to los angeles a

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number of years ago my mother uh

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occasionally still sends me a little

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plastic bag she'll fedex it or whatever

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of cedar branches because we use those

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smoke ourselves as we called it a lot of

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i think maybe we all have a little bit

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of witchcraft in our background whether

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we really know it or identified it as

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such it would you say that's a fair

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well yeah because witchcraft uh

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really heralds

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from a time when our relationship was

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much closer to the spirit world what

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later because it was called witchcraft

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derived from an old saxon term

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was really originally a name for people

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who held wisdom

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the wichi

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but later you know with religions

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changing and a bit of religious

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propaganda as as happens when different

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religions invade each other

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that that wise person of the old ways

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began to be seen as somehow

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evil because they weren't a part of the

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regular church although some of them

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so and so in all of our bloodlines in

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we have these people who were either

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trained and or gifted

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to relate to the spirit world

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to the benefit of humanity and their

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to life itself knowing that all that is

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invisible i'm sorry all that is visible

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comes from the invisible so if we dig in

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our families we're always going to find

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a little bit of what we may think of as

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witchcraft or folk magic it's always

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yeah you know and it's funny because you

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you you sort of grew up in the south

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you know and and i considered you know

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oklahoma because we were south of the

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mason-dixon line

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certainly you know in dealing with some

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of the uh native indian cultures

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the there are a lot of people who pursue

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the practices you know with roots and

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plants and things like that

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uh other remedies and rituals and things

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christianity and so

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practices that you're talking about

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religious tradition is and and

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that folks who practice an old faith

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indigenous practice

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that new new religion sometimes it was

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their old ways there's a concept that

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relationship with the spirit world

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uh plant animal human other for the

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benefit of humanity the benefit of

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a good life

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but under the structures

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uh you know doctrine of christianity

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spirituality and magic they can all look

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very different i tell people all the

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time because i'm a bit of a pagan boy

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right but i tell people but i'm

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uh my next question is let's let's back

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you came by all this pretty naturally

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didn't you because you were kind of born

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i'm sorry no no no that's what i was

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just going to ask you is what was your

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your entry or your entree into this

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spirit and magic was in my culture

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of celtic and english folk practices

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some of the old traditional

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folk magic practices of england and

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europe because remember that when people

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for many of them it became easier to

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preserve their old ways because this is

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a big continent they could hide in the

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mountains they get hide and on

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islands in the middle of lakes that are

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as big as small seas you know there's

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lots of places for them

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to avoid inquisitions and oppression

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they continued to do what they did and

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they just think criticized to fit into

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their communities and then many of them

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it wasn't just well i'm acting christian

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so i won't get in trouble uh they loved

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part of their actual faith

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but i would say christianity was a twist

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was a what a twist with its list oh

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christianity with a twist right

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absolutely

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yeah no i i know what you mean i mean

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the people that i you know that i've run

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some flack uh about their old ways from

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the you know to the mainstream side

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but you know it seems like you know in

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every culture that that we can think of

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culture and uh i was going to ask you

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people who came from those areas in

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brought those ways and those beliefs

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that's how it got here and then it mixed

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brought here by people who came from

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africa

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and probably from native americans

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america is

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a hotbed of folk magic hotbed

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um whether it's ozark witchcraft or

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appalachian folk magic or southern root

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uh doctoring or

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hoodoo in the black community or you

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know the list goes on it is a hot bed

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because of the mixtures of

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different cultures that came here the

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size of the country the other thing with

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some of these uh practices especially

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conjure you have to look at it and

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that's the southern root work you have

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to look at it in terms of

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the colonial era the civil war era

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the uh emancipation era and then the

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reconstruction era and its face changes

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what it looks like as people are

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migrating uh further north looking for

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jobs uh they would meet other folks who

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were in similar difficult financial

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straits

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and they would share

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you know they would share with say

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jewish folk magic workers or asian folk

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magic workers and the next thing you

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know

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it looks like

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has occurred but it hasn't because

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what's occurred

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is cultures

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they beat each other

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uh and they share like if you saw me

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sometimes some of these traditional

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workers here's a great story for renee i

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was at a event

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where this guy comes up

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a strong uh welsh accent

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and he said aren't you ryan foxman i

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said yeah and he said you're a charmer

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uh and i said well yeah and see charmer

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is a as a term that's used

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in many magical cultures and definitely

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in appalachian folk magic for one who

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knows

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the recitation of these rhymed often

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rhymed uh charms for doing things like

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blowing fire out the burners staunching

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blood or causing the weather to change

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with any list of things and i was

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identified by the elders very early as a

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charmer

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and i know oh god hundreds of them and

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so he goes oh i need he says i'm a

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charmer in the

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uh welsh tradition

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and i need a charm

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for i believe it was a headache to make

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headache go away

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and

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for staunching blood

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or women no no no i got that reverse he

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needed sconching blood and i needed one

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for making a headache awake they didn't

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have that one

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and that was it we shared

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magic workers have done that for

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centuries and and

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magic workers across cultures

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because we've got to remember folk magic

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is not about

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some fad

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it's not about a belief system it's a

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practice sometimes it's even a vocation

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and it's centered and on getting your

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needs met and often because it grew out

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of poverty or in the south it even grew

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out of slavery

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it's a way of leveraging the forces of

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am i hearing you also say that it's

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really all the same thing

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uh you made across traditions or yeah i

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mean you know uh you said what was it

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that uh

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it might seem like a a you know a

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joining together or

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of something but it's really not yeah an

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eclectic mix but it's really not because

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really at the heart of it or at the root

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of it

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not to make a pun

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is it really all the same thing but

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people are using a different doorway to

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get in

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like maybe with a different sort of

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style of practice or

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but

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are people basically people's cultures

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in these old ways and folk magic

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is it really sort of

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part and parcel of the same thing

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well here's what i would say the the

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structures of it

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may not be the same

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the uh

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religious implications sometimes may not

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be the same

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the needs are the same like across

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cultures

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we have a need for love um food shelter

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uh money to pay our bills

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um justice

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protection

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um

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wellness you know what i mean

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there's certain routes to our life that

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never change

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we can get all the technology we want

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but those

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core things in life don't change so then

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what happens is to answer your question

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are they the same at the core

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they're the same in that they're about

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achieving

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you know getting and growing those core

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things that we need in life to be happy

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and healthy

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preventing those things that are harmful

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from harming us

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and

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a relationship

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between the visible world and the

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invisible world

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uh knowing that all that is in all that

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is visible comes from the invisible

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therefore at the core of these practices

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being in a relationship with the

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invisible forces that in that affect

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visible things so at that core they're

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still the same

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you know but it'll be the structures

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that might look different

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right right

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you know there does seem to be some sort

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of crossover and i was thinking i know a

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lot in american uh folk art and you know

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maybe in folklore i mean folk magic and

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maybe from other places too i know

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they talk about work or

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working i've heard you know like in the

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south you know

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working routes you know i'm going to

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work some routes on this question or on

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this this matter

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things like that um

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and then of course in you know alchemy

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that sort of

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you know

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came out in in europe

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they talk about the work or the great

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work

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there's any relationship there

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i mean is is folk magic sort of like the

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poor man's alchemy

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i don't think so because alchemy

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but i see where you're going which was a

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very

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astute uh observation

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uh alchemy is more about refining the

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spirit

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and purifying oneself from the lead to

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the goal

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yes and

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raising ourselves to the highest nature

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folk magic is not necessarily

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about raising ourselves to the highest

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nature it can be

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if the practitioner is very spiritual

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like for instance

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in in my book candle in the crossroads

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which is what

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uh i wrote the most about the southern

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folk work that i grew up around and then

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continue to learn

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i talk a lot about

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the spiritual cleansing and also about

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what i call knowing growing and healing

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and revealing your soul

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so for me as a worker

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uh i am invested in the same kind of

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work

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that the alchemist is and that is

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about also not having the best having

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the best in life but also about having

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clean uh and clear spirit

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inner spirit that i can have

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but now in root work when they're

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talking about work

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they're not talking about

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the refining of the spirit the elevation

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of the spirit they're just talking about

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the working itself like for instance if

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someone is doing

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some work to get a job or some

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work to protect they'll call that the

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work

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right

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yeah

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do they say um

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do they do they say i'm going to work it

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or

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do they use it as a as a verb as well as

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a noun

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yes exactly they use it very much like

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that and in fact you'll hear

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root workers

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then call themselves witches so you'll

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hear them call

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to the workers

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workers

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and is there a difference between a root

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worker and a root doctor

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no

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so it's sort of the the same thing

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it sounds very um shamanic

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um yeah well there there's this element

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in southern root work we can

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we can never leave out if you look

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closely at the cultures that it grew out

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of

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it is african at its base because it

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grew up

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everywhere where the slave trade went

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and was

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it has been european folk magic and

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depending on

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the immigration there was spanish with

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the french with the english you know

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what i mean etc

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then you add to that

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then who were the local indigenous

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people who were often in oppressed

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situations just like freed slaves were

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the native american people so you'll

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have those elements in there so like for

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instance i did a workshop one time out

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in southern california

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and i was teaching them

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how to make a hand which is like a mojo

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and i was teaching them how to as we say

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wake the root feed the root

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dress the root and work the root

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and there was a wonderful native woman

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in the

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workshop and she came to me she said

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ryan

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the way not not all of it but the way

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you were working that there's lots of

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native american

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sort of

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philosophy or approaches

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in it

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and she was surprised i said well of

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course

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that was a part of

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the elements that contributed to what we

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now know as root work or conjure i have

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to tell you that where i grew up they

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didn't call it conjure i only heard it a

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few times i used the word

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uh in that book

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so people would understand what i was

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talking about because it's a relatively

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known word

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in the south they call it spirit

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doctrine

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a great term a spirit doctor it is

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you're a doctor to doctor your spirit or

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to doctor the spirits

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wow

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that that's that's really interesting

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now

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not to completely jump uh

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to something else but i i

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i heard it and i hope this is true but i

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heard that you worked with

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the great marie laveau

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00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,440
is that possibly true

577
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,720
oh yes oh my goodness my shero

578
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:05,039
oh yeah

579
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,880
she is what a personality and character

580
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,960
oh my goodness you have to look at

581
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:13,039
closely at this woman

582
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,919
she

583
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,280
think of this a woman free woman's color

584
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:20,080
uh in the middle of civil war occupation

585
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,039
of

586
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,039
new orleans

587
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,679
unbelievable plagues

588
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,080
tens of thousands of people dying

589
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,120
she herself had lost children

590
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:33,120
yet she captured

591
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,880
the attention of the most powerful city

592
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,320
in the south

593
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,360
and

594
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,760
nearly 200 years later

595
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,400
captures the world's attention as a

596
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,559
powerful spirit of voodoo

597
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:48,559
that's a testimony

598
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,000
to the force of this woman her legacy

599
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,350
oh yeah absolutely now what was it it

600
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,360
how did you happen to connect with her

601
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,799
and what kind of work were you doing

602
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,679
with her was she teaching you or were

603
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,400
you just sharing ideas

604
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,039
a great question now years ago and and

605
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,960
then after i answered this one i might

606
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,799
like to mention a festival that i'm a

607
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,799
part of doing in new orleans and we're

608
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,149
oh amazing yeah absolutely

609
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,720
yeah when you're done uh answering

610
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,720
uh what i asked them please do share

611
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,960
that information with us and uh i'll

612
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,279
also share it on uh on our facebook

613
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,720
pages here

614
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,840
oh thank you thank you so uh

615
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,240
many years ago for the first time i'd

616
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,600
ever gone

617
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,679
uh someone took me to new orleans i've

618
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,600
been really drawn and i had heard of

619
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,840
maria though but really didn't know that

620
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,600
much about her and what i didn't know

621
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,679
was very sensationalistic

622
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,960
sure

623
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,000
so i got there uh met a

624
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,360
wonderful woman

625
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,679
often knows bloody mary she has bloody

626
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
mary's tours there she's quite a

627
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,480
historian

628
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,080
as well as you know a paranormal

629
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,840
researcher

630
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,360
and a tour guide

631
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,559
and she took me on a tour and we did a

632
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,279
ceremony at her tomb in st louis

633
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,799
uh number

634
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,880
one i think it's the singular number one

635
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,360
cemetery and uh

636
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,120
a brief ceremony to connect with her

637
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,760
spirit when i connected with her spirit

638
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,919
her essence her power

639
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,720
i was overcome

640
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,080
with holiness

641
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,000
and overcome with the immensity of her

642
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,440
power well needless to say that sealed

643
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,679
my fate for quite some time i knew i'd

644
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,679
be coming back to new orleans to touch

645
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,320
her spirit to go to her tomb to learn

646
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,039
more about the ceremonies and ways the

647
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,960
offerings the things to connect with her

648
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,000
spirit

649
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,880
um and have had a

650
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:52,960
altar going for i don't know who's got

651
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,799
to be 25 years now to marie and i go to

652
00:26:02,710 --> 00:25:59,840
her for help she likes to help with love

653
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,720
and justice that's her two favorite

654
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,159
uh jobs

655
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,559
she tends to but she was definitely an

656
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,799
all-around girl you know

657
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,039
and you said the feeling has grown

658
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,520
stronger and so she is the spirit of new

659
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,880
orleans voodoo

660
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,760
wow

661
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,320
and you said that you got the

662
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:19,440
feeling of

663
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,440
oh yes

664
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,840
yeah you know of course a lot of people

665
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,600
you know especially people in the

666
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,279
mainstream

667
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,279
would say well that's weird you know she

668
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,360
was a voodoo priestess and this that and

669
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,360
the other but

670
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,840
i think that

671
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,559
uh you know we kind of have gotten

672
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,159
the wrong end of the stick when it comes

673
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,520
to holiness

674
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,840
because of just you know

675
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,640
particular programming that we each had

676
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,880
depending on where we grew up and

677
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:53,919
what kind of circumstances we grew up in

678
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,760
but when can you describe that feeling

679
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,720
from her that you were talking about

680
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:02,799
first i just felt power

681
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:04,840
and then i felt

682
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:08,799
her receptivity her desire to assist and

683
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,320
uphold and see in her physical life

684
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,840
she uh helped many a dying person

685
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,559
as well as a nurse any a person back to

686
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,279
health from the many deadly infections

687
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,760
that were ravaging new orleans

688
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,320
so this woman quite literally was doing

689
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,880
holy work right now i think we got to

690
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,240
remember about

691
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,200
when

692
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:32,799
people hear voodoo and then they hear

693
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,400
the voodoo queen and they wouldn't put

694
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,279
voodoo and voodoo queen and holy in the

695
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,720
same

696
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:39,840
sentence

697
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,799
a lot of that's again propaganda right

698
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,799
because voodoo itself stems from a

699
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,679
traditional indigenous african practice

700
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,400
right when and racism can be written

701
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:52,960
into things so

702
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,520
cunning and devious it's as simple as

703
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,840
black magic white magic white magic is

704
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,320
good black magic's bad

705
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,279
well the truth is magic is neutral

706
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,520
just like electricity is a neutral

707
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:08,399
it can either uh cook your food light

708
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
your house or it can electrocute someone

709
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,640
so um

710
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,600
so how she used her power

711
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,360
to help others

712
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,360
and uphold others

713
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,039
is what makes and and continues to do so

714
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,200
hundreds of years now after

715
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,440
her transition into the other world she

716
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,760
comes when called

717
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:33,039
and and the truth is you know these

718
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,159
spirits

719
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,679
they don't have to

720
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,559
they could leave all interest in us

721
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,960
who are in the embodied realm

722
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,200
when they pass to the other world

723
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,279
but many of them don't they become

724
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,360
exalted ancestors

725
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,960
and they want to be

726
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,080
helpful

727
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,159
to others who are trying to just have a

728
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,760
good life

729
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,840
you know wow

730
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,440
it's really interesting i think we're

731
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,440
going to have to take a quick break here

732
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,840
orion we're talking with orion foxwood

733
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,760
we're talking about conjuring and root

734
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doctoring

735
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736
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we'll be right

737
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738
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799
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800
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i'm your host renee barnett

801
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,039
and we're talking to author

802
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,880
and conjurer

803
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:31,360
orion foxwood um

804
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,480
now

805
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,360
orion we we mentioned before the break

806
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,880
that you're going to be making some

807
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,559
personal appearances

808
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,320
and why don't we let our listeners know

809
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,159
where those are going to be

810
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,960
and what those dates are so that people

811
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,840
in your area can take advantage of that

812
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,919
sure sure one of the most exciting ones

813
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,200
is coming up

814
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,320
very very quickly may 8th through may

815
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,039
10th and it's going to be at a beautiful

816
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:58,320
place

817
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,399
in massachusetts called the rose center

818
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,960
i'm going to be doing a two-day

819
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,399
immersion experience

820
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,359
into the fairy realms into folkloric

821
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,599
fairy tradition which is the old older

822
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:13,679
practices

823
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:16,879
in a wooded area where we can touch

824
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,240
those spirits so much closer

825
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,079
and if folks want to know about that

826
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:24,960
then go to the rose or go to roe center

827
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,750
dot org

828
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,320
that'll be may 8-10 and my workshop is

829
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,560
called engaging the worlds of

830
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,480
the realms of enchantment

831
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,000
i'm also a part

832
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:40,800
of a collective of conjure root workers

833
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,599
called the conjure crossroads and we're

834
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:46,159
going to be doing a two and a half day

835
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,879
event in new orleans november um 6th 7th

836
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
and 8th

837
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,159
if you just look up folk magic

838
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,000
festival.com

839
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,839
we're also on facebook you can find more

840
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,000
information there that's going to be

841
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,680
powerful

842
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,839
well now is that magic with the c or

843
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,400
magic with the ck

844
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,920
well i often use

845
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,000
ck but the truth is

846
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,440
it's all magic

847
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,960
but i mean i mean for the website

848
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:14,480
address

849
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,870
i'll look it up i'll look it up and i'll

850
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:24,560
let everybody know

851
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,440
okay

852
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,720
folks

853
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,240
yeah this thing coming up the rose

854
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,839
center is going to be a rare experience

855
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,599
for folks who want to get

856
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,359
that kind of training it's going to be

857
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,320
intense

858
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,320
wow

859
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,839
that will be nice i think it

860
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,760
must be with a k because i didn't get it

861
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,359
with the c

862
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,960
so um

863
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,240
so that's

864
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,079
massachusetts and new orleans where in

865
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,079
massachusetts is it

866
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,960
it is at roe massachusetts row oh that's

867
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,480
the name of the town

868
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,800
yeah yeah it's in the mountains i

869
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,400
believe that is considered the

870
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,960
berkshires there i think that's western

871
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,440
mass which of course is gorgeous

872
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,480
oh absolutely it's wonderful up there

873
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,960
and the weather should be getting nice

874
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,800
oh yes

875
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,280
the ability to connect with these potent

876
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:15,200
ancient spirits will be real strong

877
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,400
there

878
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,560
now speaking of being in the out of

879
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,520
doors and that sort of thing um

880
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,720
i listened to uh one interview with you

881
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,359
where you talked about

882
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,119
the crossroads

883
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,880
and the dark rider going to the

884
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,560
crossroads and

885
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,800
connecting with the dark writer first of

886
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,839
all

887
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,839
who's the dark writer and it seems to be

888
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,880
through a lot of cultures oh yeah

889
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,640
well the first thing to understand about

890
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,560
the crossroads i think the best way to

891
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,160
back into that answer it might be a

892
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,960
slightly long one go right ahead enjoy

893
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:51,280
the info in it um

894
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,400
is

895
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,440
many of the old crossroads

896
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,079
have a history to them right they were

897
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:59,440
built on

898
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:00,240
uh

899
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,000
native american trading routes right

900
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:06,800
and the native american trading routes

901
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,760
followed animal migratory patterns

902
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,800
animal migratory patterns follow the ley

903
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
lines and energetic grid of the earth

904
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,839
so what would happen is when you saw

905
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,000
where paths cross and then later that

906
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,359
evolves into crossroads these

907
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,920
crossroads have power

908
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,839
into the unseen

909
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,160
and subtle spirit world of the earth

910
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,000
itself

911
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,720
now that's one quality of the crossroads

912
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,320
work another one is that uh historically

913
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,079
the crossroads the center of the

914
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,720
crossroads was owned by no one just like

915
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,599
a graveyard owned by no one the

916
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,440
graveyard being the place where those

917
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,760
who live above the horizon and those who

918
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,640
live below the horizon dwell

919
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,839
and so

920
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,680
the this concept

921
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,160
of liminal places that are betwixt and

922
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,040
between claimed by none

923
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,200
are considered to be powerful also that

924
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,680
they're meeting places

925
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,800
where people coming and going places uh

926
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,599
you know come through are considered to

927
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,960
have power um when i what i was taught

928
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:17,520
growing up that is at the crossroads and

929
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,630
it has the power

930
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:27,680
to affect the four roads of life which

931
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:31,200
are life death luck and love

932
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,640
and that this crossroads and in fact all

933
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:35,839
thresholds because remember the

934
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,200
crossroads is a threshold between one

935
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,040
state and another

936
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,000
uh has a spirit force that lives within

937
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,320
it an intelligence the thing to remember

938
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,720
you mentioned shamanism earlier is that

939
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,599
to

940
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,720
the old root workers and the old witches

941
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,400
uh the world

942
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,640
was and is

943
00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:58,839
animated alive and

944
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,560
filled with spirits and spirit energy

945
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,400
spirit life

946
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,440
so

947
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:08,320
if one's sick it's because of a spirit

948
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,640
flu's not just a bug it's a spirit

949
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:15,040
the thresholds not just the place it's a

950
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,000
spirit

951
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,560
so we go to the crossroads we make

952
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,839
offerings to encounter this spirit that

953
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,680
governs transition

954
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,520
and that governs

955
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,800
the movement

956
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:28,640
across boundaries

957
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:33,119
uh the movements to thresholds of change

958
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,240
um

959
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,040
and it's often called

960
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,040
so many names and like you said

961
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,320
interestingly

962
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,760
this spirit

963
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:42,960
shows up

964
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,480
the the concept of the spirit at the

965
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,599
crossroads uh well you met you you

966
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,160
mentioned something that intrigued me uh

967
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,359
just a second ago you said i personally

968
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,119
work with the four

969
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,240
crossroads because in in in just when

970
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,560
you said that i was thinking about you

971
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,640
know i've done a lot of work in france

972
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,200
and there's some very like energetic

973
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,560
places there

974
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,119
and very powerful ley lines and telluric

975
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,520
currents and that sort of thing

976
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,920
and i work um

977
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,920
i don't know uh if you're familiar with

978
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,880
the author henry lincoln he's um sort of

979
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,119
the grand master of the entire da vinci

980
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,880
code he was the guy

981
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,760
the

982
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,640
sole uh living auth co-author of holy

983
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,720
blood holy grail and he's

984
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,960
uh lived in that area now for many years

985
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,040
and done you know tons of work and lots

986
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,040
of other books on the subject

987
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,200
but in working with him and others in

988
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,400
that area

989
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,599
we were looking for places where

990
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,560
three roads met have you heard heard

991
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,960
anything about that and a lot of times

992
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,200
when you would find those places there

993
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:55,280
would be some kind of an ancient

994
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,960
uh stone marker or a calvare

995
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,440
or something like that that was put up

996
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,720
long long ago some of them very ancient

997
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,640
some of them were celtic

998
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,800
uh do you know about the three points

999
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,599
and

1000
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,680
what is that i know about them i don't

1001
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,000
know their lore like for instance in

1002
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:15,839
greece of course you have hecate of the

1003
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,560
three ways the god of sacrifices yes

1004
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,880
so this seems to be uh

1005
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,760
you know to also change uh from culture

1006
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,599
to culture you know whether it's

1007
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,359
three way or four way

1008
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,599
whether it's an x or a plus shape

1009
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,680
whether it's a male spirit or a female

1010
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,880
spirit

1011
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,400
right they covered it

1012
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,240
and i i think

1013
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,800
that what seems in my view what seems to

1014
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:42,160
affect the cultural language around that

1015
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,040
is

1016
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,800
what grows out of the land itself

1017
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,400
because see we got to remember that the

1018
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,599
rituals and ceremonies and practices

1019
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,079
that these people did and do

1020
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,920
grew out of

1021
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,880
a relationship between the human

1022
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,119
and what i call the enscape which is the

1023
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,839
interior

1024
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,560
landscape

1025
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,640
of the spirit world of place because you

1026
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,839
remember the oldest of magics was

1027
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,520
how to keep good weather

1028
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,680
how to keep fertility flowing

1029
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,520
how to prevent bad spirits from making

1030
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,400
us sick how to keep the herds coming

1031
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,400
so first and foremost they want to be in

1032
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,400
a relationship then with nature all you

1033
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,800
know all of nature to know what rituals

1034
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,200
ceremonies works need to be done

1035
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,760
to achieve those things right

1036
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,480
and and then inclusive in that meant

1037
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,200
sort of listening to the interior land

1038
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,359
of the first ancestor which is the earth

1039
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,800
itself

1040
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,440
right and so i think that that language

1041
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,000
of three versus four may grow out of the

1042
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,680
spirit of place

1043
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,359
that it just happens to be that what i

1044
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,800
grew up with

1045
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,760
was for and it was a male spirit and in

1046
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,520
fact what they called him where i grew

1047
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,400
up it was my mama that told me about him

1048
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:56,720
when i was kid they called him the dark

1049
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,160
rider and some of the lore with the dark

1050
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,880
rider is and in fact i remember clear

1051
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,240
the bell

1052
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,800
talking to my mom about the dark rider

1053
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,319
and i was you know you can imagine a

1054
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,800
little kid i was intrigued and

1055
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,480
i said my mama does you know and he

1056
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,400
comes at three in the morning i was

1057
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,880
taught not that midnight was not the

1058
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,880
witching hour three in the morning yes

1059
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:21,040
yeah that's what i hear yep

1060
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,400
and so

1061
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,319
uh to go out to see him at three in the

1062
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,920
morning so at a crossroads and

1063
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,920
this giant's mama well mama what happens

1064
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,880
is there

1065
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,760
is a dark man on a dark horse

1066
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,079
and she said well no it's not quite like

1067
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,200
that it's

1068
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:38,720
the four

1069
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:41,839
the

1070
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,599
up through those roads from an unseen

1071
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,800
place

1072
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,720
and together

1073
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,000
they whirl into one being now she told

1074
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,599
me not to do it of course because i was

1075
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,119
too young and of course what did i have

1076
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:59,040
to do i had to go out and do it

1077
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,760
so

1078
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,520
well that's what curious little young

1079
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:03,119
conjurer boys do

1080
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,319
so

1081
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,640
i went out and i did the work

1082
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,280
and i learned very quickly why people

1083
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,560
interpreted him

1084
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,839
as a

1085
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,119
like a rider on a horse i heard

1086
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,680
the sound of uh like horse you know how

1087
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,920
they had a galloping sound yeah

1088
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:22,000
but i heard it as if it was under the

1089
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,119
ground

1090
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,839
and the hooves were beating up against

1091
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:28,240
the ground oh wow

1092
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,839
oh yeah and then this cold wind

1093
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,319
that comes up the four crossroads the

1094
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,240
dogs uh throughout the neighborhood

1095
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,000
going crazy

1096
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,000
uh and then you know the power is there

1097
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,240
and it's time to petition them can you

1098
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,040
share or would you share

1099
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,960
sort of what you did

1100
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,920
to

1101
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,200
summons the dark rider well yeah and

1102
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,440
also if the folks want to really read

1103
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,440
about it in length

1104
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,599
uh my book the candle in the crossroads

1105
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
published by weiver

1106
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,760
have that in it

1107
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,400
but uh it was really simple and you know

1108
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,839
there's different traditions about how

1109
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,319
many nights you go and which night's the

1110
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,560
perfect night to start it yeah should

1111
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,119
you go seven nights and nine nights five

1112
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,400
nights

1113
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:17,760
in the morning and i started on a

1114
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,280
wednesday night because wednesday as i

1115
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,319
was taught was is the day of the opener

1116
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,839
and of course wednesday is mercury day

1117
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,880
and so

1118
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,119
i went at three in the morning now three

1119
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,599
in the morning is if you've ever got up

1120
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,920
and done prayer or in fact if the

1121
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,839
spirits want to reach you and they can't

1122
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,920
reach you at any other time they will

1123
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:42,640
wake you up at three in the morning

1124
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,880
because the world sins it in in it in

1125
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,119
and of itself is a crossroads it is a

1126
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,880
thinning time of a boundary-less uh

1127
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,560
threshold time

1128
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,760
and so

1129
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,960
i went out

1130
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,640
and how i was taught as you go to the

1131
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:01,280
crossroads you you take an offering

1132
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,079
uh

1133
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,680
three mercury head pennies is what i

1134
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,599
grew up with i'm not pennies i'm sorry

1135
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,119
dimes

1136
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,200
they're like antiques now

1137
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,319
um

1138
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,119
and you know a shot of whiskey or a shot

1139
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,920
of rum uh there we go

1140
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,119
uh and yeah

1141
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,000
so this what the spirits like to drink

1142
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,520
is it's uh

1143
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,720
it's fire

1144
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,280
they draw the fire out of it

1145
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,800
that's what they use

1146
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,680
so

1147
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,359
i went out

1148
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,079
knocked on the floor you know between

1149
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,319
with the crossroads me

1150
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,599
and uh

1151
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,920
called to him you know dark rider opened

1152
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,319
the way and turned counterclockwise

1153
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,880
spinning myself away from the realm of

1154
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:45,359
humanity into the realm of spirits

1155
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,430
and then turned again you know

1156
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,040
counterclockwise

1157
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,880
uh turn and then did that same thing

1158
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,119
three times in total so now spun myself

1159
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,800
into the realm of the spirits

1160
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,960
then i simply made my petition

1161
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,040
i asked for help on whatever it was i

1162
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,960
needed to have help with

1163
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,880
and i brought with me the mercury head

1164
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,200
dimes and the whiskey

1165
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,319
and later left those as offerings now an

1166
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,160
interesting thing about the dark rider

1167
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,480
crossroads and this was you know

1168
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,800
popularized oh god goodness i just lost

1169
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,760
his name now for the famous delta blue

1170
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,720
singer

1171
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,520
uh

1172
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,440
crossroads people come to me all the

1173
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,839
time go ron i i heard

1174
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,599
that you have to sell your soul to the

1175
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,440
devil at the crossroads

1176
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,760
and some of where that lord comes from

1177
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,839
you have to

1178
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,520
understand that

1179
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,280
a lot of where that lord came through

1180
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,880
was africa

1181
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,400
and it merged with some of the european

1182
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,880
witchcraft practices that came over with

1183
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,440
the peasant people

1184
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,720
and

1185
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,440
the only thing that a slave owned was

1186
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,280
their soul

1187
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:57,119
i didn't know their flesh they didn't

1188
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,560
know anything oh that's true so to give

1189
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,160
your soul

1190
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,640
was to give your heart to something

1191
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,960
wasn't that sell your soul like faust or

1192
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,800
something like that in fact what i tell

1193
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,400
people i said you don't sell your soul

1194
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:12,240
you bury your soul

1195
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,359
because

1196
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,680
uh he is also called

1197
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,480
the spirit the crossroads is also called

1198
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,359
the trick doctor and he can see the

1199
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,559
tricks that you hide in your heart

1200
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,280
so if you go to the crossroads

1201
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:33,349
bad for another

1202
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,760
uh and it's unjust he'll punish him

1203
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,800
so intention is very important

1204
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,880
oh yes when you're working with powerful

1205
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:44,079
spirits

1206
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:44,880
uh

1207
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,839
you can't excuse my language but you

1208
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,520
can't them

1209
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,520
and cannot

1210
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,800
uh

1211
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,119
walk in there thinking you're just gonna

1212
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,200
harm another uh there's a saying in the

1213
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,640
witchcraft tradition i come out of

1214
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,319
because i come up you know a few

1215
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,920
traditions i carrying

1216
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,880
and

1217
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,920
uh

1218
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,480
that the the toucher is touched

1219
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:09,200
now the conjurer's saying i grew up with

1220
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,000
is

1221
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,680
what you conjure conjures you

1222
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,800
um what's happening they like as well so

1223
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,040
we can understand that if we make

1224
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,760
relationships that are toxic

1225
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,599
with the spirit

1226
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,559
now that is the path

1227
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,480
that we have laid before us in

1228
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,720
relationship to them and as the old

1229
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,800
saying goes if you lay down with dogs

1230
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,800
you'll get at least no disrespect to

1231
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,829
so i tell people be mindful

1232
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:43,680
you can get anything you want if you're

1233
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,119
willing to give everything you have up

1234
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,079
uh be mindful about why you go to such

1235
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,240
spirits as the crossroads spirits the

1236
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,599
dark rider

1237
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,400
uh

1238
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,400
be honest in your spirit honest in your

1239
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,480
heart because they now why you're there

1240
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,920
even if you don't say it

1241
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,960
hmm

1242
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:04,240
and is

1243
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,400
is there a an issue with ego

1244
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:10,400
is that something that you have to sort

1245
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,720
of take care not to get out of control

1246
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,040
oh god yes well eco

1247
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,200
because i mean that's a big that's a big

1248
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,119
challenge i think for everybody i mean i

1249
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,640
know i've certainly

1250
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,359
you know had my issues with that and

1251
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,440
every time they pop up i get slapped

1252
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,319
back down so quickly it's not even funny

1253
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,280
and

1254
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:33,680
i find that a lot of times when people

1255
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,480
are

1256
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,400
getting into something whether it's some

1257
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,000
kind of practice if they become

1258
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,200
successful at it or you know uh

1259
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,920
good at it or known for it

1260
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,240
and it starts

1261
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,280
wearing on their ego and that starts

1262
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,280
taking over then they kind of seem to

1263
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,400
lose their way in what they're doing is

1264
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,960
that a danger in this kind of work

1265
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,960
well it is it is we got to remember a

1266
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,520
couple things the the power

1267
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,440
the magical power

1268
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,760
does not come from us it comes from the

1269
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,960
source

1270
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,720
by whatever you call it

1271
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,319
the second thing

1272
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:11,760
is

1273
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,390
exploited

1274
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,470
and so

1275
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,280
uh one has got to remember that it with

1276
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,920
magic magic has high voltage work i

1277
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,000
always tell folks that you know there's

1278
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,640
three levels to the cultivation of the

1279
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:33,920
spirit

1280
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,920
that well there's an essence of which

1281
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:43,280
all things

1282
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,200
um

1283
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,359
and uh

1284
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,200
what what is its nature what does it

1285
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,440
want how do i be in right relationship

1286
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,000
with it right mysticism goes further and

1287
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,400
says well if this source is in

1288
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,760
everything

1289
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,160
then it's in me and what is that part of

1290
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:06,559
the source that's in me

1291
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,359
to

1292
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,160
uh

1293
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,480
what is that part wants of this life and

1294
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:13,119
how do i bring that out for me and live

1295
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:14,240
that life

1296
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,480
magic goes a step further magic is

1297
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,640
i want to know what's in god's toolbox

1298
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,280
i'm going to be a conscious creator

1299
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,960
i don't want to just surrender to the

1300
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,040
will of fate

1301
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,720
i'm going to exert

1302
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:29,920
a

1303
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,119
surrender to the will of the spirit

1304
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,040
when i can tell that it's the will of

1305
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:46,880
the spirit right now that knows greater

1306
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,240
picture sometimes i'm supposed to

1307
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,800
make a choice and affect that choice

1308
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,559
sometimes i'm supposed to have the

1309
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,240
inward serenity

1310
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,640
to know and by spirit that there's a

1311
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,480
greater hand guiding something that's

1312
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,800
happening in my life and don't

1313
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,559
don't meddle with it

1314
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,000
ego is a whopper and i've actually seen

1315
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:10,960
and i use a word so

1316
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:13,760
so powerful i've seen people

1317
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,240
who do magic work die from their own

1318
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,559
magic because of ego

1319
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,319
ego contaminates

1320
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,400
you know yes

1321
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,400
oh my goodness you're confirming a lot

1322
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,160
of stuff i was wondering about because

1323
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:28,720
i've seen that happen to people it's

1324
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,040
really really wild now if you don't mind

1325
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,720
uh i'd like to

1326
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,480
throw a couple of questions to you from

1327
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,880
the chat room before we go to the next

1328
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,200
break here

1329
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,640
durr says

1330
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,680
renee does orion think the dark rider

1331
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,280
may have a connection

1332
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,640
with the civil war perhaps confederate

1333
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,079
cavalry or

1334
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,240
raiding writer

1335
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,599
well you know i think that's a good

1336
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,119
question uh

1337
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,079
and and i wish i could answer it um i

1338
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,760
don't know

1339
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,520
but i don't see any reason why it

1340
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,280
wouldn't be i mean that makes that makes

1341
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,559
good sense

1342
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:09,119
um because i think the whole concept of

1343
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,720
the rider

1344
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:13,119
well the languaging itself tells us a

1345
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,240
couple things

1346
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,599
uh that

1347
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,839
that this being that the spirit is is

1348
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,400
mobile it moves it rides like the wind

1349
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,200
even

1350
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,839
um so they're telling us qualities of

1351
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,079
the spirit

1352
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,520
as

1353
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,559
discussed through a cultural language

1354
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,359
of the time that that language came

1355
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,240
which was likely colonial

1356
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,480
so i think that's i think her question

1357
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,839
her uh

1358
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,319
maybe her insight may be as good as any

1359
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,319
as to why they might call a copper dark

1360
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,920
rider yeah

1361
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,680
and um

1362
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,359
you you talked about

1363
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:52,720
the the ritual that you did you know

1364
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,559
long ago as a teenager to summon the the

1365
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,880
dark rider and i know you've done a

1366
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,680
million other rituals since then but

1367
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,319
lorraine would like to know if you have

1368
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:06,720
a favorite ritual for this particular

1369
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,430
i have to think about that

1370
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,960
well uh

1371
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,839
if i put it into just a magical working

1372
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,480
context what i would say my favorite

1373
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,119
workings at this time of the year is

1374
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,720
spiritual cleansing

1375
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,720
because just as uh

1376
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,720
we'll see i'm on the east coast right so

1377
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,240
this time of the year

1378
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,440
uh we're

1379
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,640
in spring

1380
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,800
and the buds are still just opening so

1381
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,440
that means life is is bursting out with

1382
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,280
freshness everywhere

1383
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,240
i want to have my magic on board with

1384
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:44,480
that right i want to sensitize and

1385
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,680
synchronize myself with that same force

1386
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,680
so i like to work a

1387
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,280
magic around

1388
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,079
cleansing and renewal

1389
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,280
and also fanning the flame of my desires

1390
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,559
and vision

1391
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:00,839
for this year for this time for this

1392
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,280
cycle um i hope that kind of answers

1393
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:06,880
because i could come up with a million

1394
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,720
different workings but right area yeah

1395
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,680
is there maybe one uh

1396
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,599
you know just pick one

1397
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,520
of those that you mentioned and could

1398
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,440
you sort of share with us how you might

1399
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,599
go about performing that ritual i know

1400
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:23,280
it's only like three minutes to break

1401
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,160
but

1402
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,079
uh

1403
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,400
i mean as a quickie let me mention then

1404
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,880
spiritual cleansing as a part of this

1405
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,040
spiritual cleansing should be the core

1406
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,520
of every magic workers practice and

1407
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,040
every spiritual

1408
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,440
person's practice because we get things

1409
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,799
on us

1410
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,280
we step in things people throw things at

1411
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,319
us you know energetically and we need to

1412
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,400
be conscious uh

1413
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,680
uh

1414
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,040
conscious

1415
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,200
liv livers in our life we don't want to

1416
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:56,079
be lived we want to live life

1417
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:56,960
so

1418
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,079
uh there is uh i'd recommend folks to

1419
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,040
take a bath that spans over seven days

1420
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,480
right uh get into the tub when the clock

1421
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:09,200
hand is going down the minute hand

1422
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,160
um

1423
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:11,520
fix yourself

1424
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,760
a container full of a mix of dark coffee

1425
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:17,040
salt

1426
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,200
a little bit of florida water and a

1427
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,240
little bit of lemon juice

1428
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,079
and put in to make enough of that that

1429
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,079
you could pour like a dixie cups worth

1430
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,079
of that into your water each of those

1431
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,319
seven days and get into the water each

1432
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,640
of those and call to the spirits and the

1433
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,000
ancestors

1434
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,480
to help you clear from you the things

1435
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,720
that would restrain or girdle your soul

1436
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,200
and prevent you from achieving your joys

1437
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,960
your and your well-being

1438
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,559
uh and then take a little bit of that

1439
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,400
water every day

1440
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,559
and go out after you're done find a

1441
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,160
rotten stump or stump you know where

1442
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,760
someone's chopped down a tree and it's

1443
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:56,160
still got that bottom part in the

1444
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,119
soil

1445
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,359
and throw that cup of water at that

1446
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,200
that's a couple of your bath water

1447
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,760
that's called fixing so you're fixing

1448
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,280
your work

1449
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,280
to a natural thing something that's

1450
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,200
already occurring in nature

1451
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,359
and then that that has power and that'll

1452
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,839
enhance but why a stump and not just a

1453
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,480
regular tree

1454
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,599
um well that's not how i was taught that

1455
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,680
what a worker does is it works with the

1456
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,760
power that's there

1457
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,920
and so for instance a tree that's in the

1458
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,400
middle of rotting is taking apart

1459
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:29,760
something

1460
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,109
whereas a living tree

1461
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,359
is building

1462
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,119
you know i might do something

1463
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,799
around renewal

1464
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,200
or something about wishes for fulfilling

1465
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,559
wishes with the living tree but i

1466
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:48,160
wouldn't do that

1467
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,839
the

1468
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,640
cleansing

1469
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,160
huh

1470
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,000
wow that's interesting well thank you so

1471
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,920
much for sharing that i hope i

1472
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,319
didn't force you into explaining

1473
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,520
something that you weren't going to

1474
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,119
explain

1475
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,480
it's very helpful

1476
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,230
yeah

1477
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:08,480
absolutely well it's time for another

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00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,480
break boy time is flying tonight so if

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you will just hang in there with us

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00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:17,520
we'll be right back with orion foxwood

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01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,549
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hey we're back with night fishing radio

1543
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:38,880
i'm your host renee barnett

1544
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:41,920
my guest tonight is orion foxwood we're

1545
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,280
talking about conjuring and

1546
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,200
southern american

1547
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,359
magic i guess you could call it

1548
01:03:53,069 --> 01:03:51,680
and orion's the author of several books

1549
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:53,079
uh check him out at

1550
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,039
orionfoxwood.com now orion um

1551
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,559
durr wanted me to

1552
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:01,119
ask me in the chat room renee can you

1553
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,240
get him back to the crossroads

1554
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,799
sounds like the old african-american

1555
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,599
meeting location with the devil cutting

1556
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,760
deals at the crossroads

1557
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:13,359
didn't you sort of say something like

1558
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,559
that or

1559
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,640
i did i did the thing we've got to

1560
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,960
remember when that word a devil is being

1561
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,079
used

1562
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,119
uh you you immediately know something

1563
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,280
you can hear that that is uh

1564
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,839
going to be a

1565
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:29,680
colonial language

1566
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,920
uh likely you know used by europeans

1567
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,359
and would not have showed up in the

1568
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,839
african practices they would have never

1569
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,160
ever called the spirit the devil at the

1570
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,799
crossroads ever

1571
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,039
that concept got most popularized in

1572
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,119
america by robert johnson's music i

1573
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,039
believe that was the 40s i may be wrong

1574
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,520
leave the 50s but

1575
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:52,960
but

1576
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,920
this being at the crossroads uh and the

1577
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,920
reason he does get sometimes a bad rap

1578
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,079
is again you've got to be honest when

1579
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,319
you go to the spirit

1580
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,799
you have to be honest his other name

1581
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:06,839
where i grew up with was the trick

1582
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,520
doctor the trick doctor and remember

1583
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,559
that the word trick is an old folk word

1584
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:14,880
in the south for uh

1585
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,319
for a working for uh fixing a trip

1586
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,680
um

1587
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,799
so

1588
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,680
uh

1589
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:23,680
this

1590
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:30,960
is neither benevolent nor malevolent

1591
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,079
it is what you bring with you

1592
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,640
it is the content of your heart that can

1593
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,599
be the scariest thing of all

1594
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:41,760
that's why i say he the dark writers

1595
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,880
made me be an honest man over the years

1596
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,760
you know

1597
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,000
we talked a little bit earlier about you

1598
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,760
know people getting involved in magic or

1599
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,400
maybe even people uh

1600
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,640
spending time in some of these locations

1601
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,400
that you're talking about some of these

1602
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:01,039
power centers these crossroads and

1603
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,839
and other places

1604
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:05,920
and having the wrong

1605
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,039
intent or you know not be in the right

1606
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:10,319
place

1607
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:11,119
and

1608
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,960
insane i've seen it happen more than

1609
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,960
once

1610
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,160
well renee

1611
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:21,359
when i talk to people about these

1612
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:22,720
spirits

1613
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,760
show up across cultures worldwide such

1614
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:29,200
as this one

1615
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,079
so

1616
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,000
because of that we should be able to say

1617
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,520
one thing real clearly they're real

1618
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,280
all those cultures

1619
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:39,599
all those millions of people

1620
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,119
aren't crazy

1621
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,359
you know they they know it's real

1622
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,440
they're let their descendants know it's

1623
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,680
real and that it can be contacted and

1624
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:49,359
can be worked with

1625
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,480
um

1626
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,960
when people go out to the crossroads or

1627
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,359
they work with these powerful spirits

1628
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,200
they often treat them like they're

1629
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:58,880
symbols they'll say oh don't you think

1630
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,880
this is a symbol of this or symbol of

1631
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,720
that and i'm saying no you have to

1632
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,240
understand

1633
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,760
that they're not a symbol of anything

1634
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,000
they're an independent

1635
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:09,599
powerful being

1636
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,559
and our elders and our many traditions

1637
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,119
have told us that they've told us how to

1638
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,480
encounter them

1639
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:18,319
what attitude they have in encountering

1640
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:19,039
them

1641
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,799
and how to

1642
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,480
receive from them

1643
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,880
the best things in life so what happens

1644
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:26,960
is people will go out and they'll go

1645
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,000
well i mean they is as long as you go

1646
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,599
out and you're being honest in your

1647
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,079
heart they are often very you know

1648
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,599
very helpful

1649
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,280
but it's when uh

1650
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,720
people go out

1651
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,880
not knowing what they want

1652
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:42,960
not having the clarity

1653
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,760
um and they come maybe even with some

1654
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,440
doubt in their mind

1655
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,960
they get themselves

1656
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,200
into some sticky wickets you know

1657
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,960
because these spirits are more than

1658
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,920
happy

1659
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:56,400
to prove to you how real they are

1660
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,359
but it may not be to your benefit

1661
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,359
um

1662
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,280
i guess

1663
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:06,240
the ability to

1664
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,839
sort of be

1665
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,359
self-aware

1666
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:11,359
is really important

1667
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,319
because you know a lot of times

1668
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,960
uh i think people lie to themselves

1669
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,640
about who they are

1670
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,400
and about where they're really at and

1671
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,880
about what their real intentions are i

1672
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,120
mean no one i don't think sits around

1673
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,520
and says oh i'm a selfish bastard you

1674
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,719
know

1675
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,560
but they might be

1676
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,719
and if they're fooling themselves about

1677
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:34,000
that

1678
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,080
place to be when confronting

1679
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,080
these powers

1680
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,000
it can be absolutely because these

1681
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,040
spirits know us better than we know us

1682
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,440
you know it's sometimes hard you know to

1683
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,440
step out of yourself and look and say

1684
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:53,839
okay how am i contributing to this

1685
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:56,480
problem or where is it that i can

1686
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,839
improve myself you know and if i'm

1687
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,000
getting so upset about this thing what

1688
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,359
is it about me that i need to look at

1689
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,560
you know that's

1690
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:08,960
very very difficult sometimes

1691
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,520
but when you can do that it would seem

1692
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,560
like it would put you in a little bit

1693
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:14,880
better position when dealing with sort

1694
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:17,520
of powerful and possibly dangerous

1695
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,719
forces

1696
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:21,120
well it really does it really does you

1697
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,880
know i offer you too even uh praying to

1698
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,120
uh the sacred spirit that we all call

1699
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,520
god and the thing is we have to remember

1700
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,199
that this sacred spirit that we all call

1701
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,679
god all of these spirits that we are

1702
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:35,279
talking about they're all a part of god

1703
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,560
too

1704
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,120
they're just the part the part of god

1705
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,679
that say does a certain function a

1706
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,719
certain

1707
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,590
and

1708
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:49,759
when when we pray

1709
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,120
we've got to also consider what our

1710
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,080
what it is we're really asking

1711
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:57,600
and if we pray

1712
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,520
with fervor and we can arouse a deity

1713
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:03,440
through what we call pray and true when

1714
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,880
i grow up then you can wield a force

1715
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,719
through praying praying

1716
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,040
that can be extremely harmful or

1717
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:13,360
extremely helpful

1718
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,800
oh yes

1719
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,920
so you know i again this is why i like

1720
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:19,360
magic magic

1721
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,880
forces us to grow moral muscles

1722
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,159
in my view

1723
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:26,640
it forces us to grow moral muscles

1724
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:28,000
i like that

1725
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:29,440
yeah i think we better grow them if

1726
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,880
we're going to be messing around with it

1727
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,080
i think so

1728
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,400
if i could just throw you one more uh

1729
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,320
from the chat room it's it's another one

1730
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,800
from durham he's on a roll tonight

1731
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,440
says i he says i know i'm asking too

1732
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,000
many questions no you're absolutely not

1733
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,960
but does orion have an opinion on the

1734
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,440
native american folklore of the

1735
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:53,360
skinwalkers

1736
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,520
i've heard about them i don't feel like

1737
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,600
i understand the tradition enough to pay

1738
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,960
it honor

1739
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:01,920
um

1740
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,120
but uh my understanding is it's it is

1741
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:07,120
that those aren't those aren't

1742
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,480
see if that

1743
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,880
one one group is who i should say one

1744
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:12,800
tradition told me that they are

1745
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:16,400
human people who can shift by taking the

1746
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,360
flesh

1747
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,960
of or the skin of an animal and wear it

1748
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,040
and shift their shapes and then i've

1749
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,400
heard others

1750
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,600
say actually their spirit being yeah

1751
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,560
um

1752
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:29,600
so

1753
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,400
uh

1754
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,080
i wish i could say more about that i

1755
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,920
just don't feel like that no no that's

1756
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,600
fine i i

1757
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,679
completely understand yeah i think

1758
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,440
that's from the u tribe if i'm not

1759
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,800
mistaken

1760
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,120
and there's a big uh

1761
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:45,040
you know story about a ranch that's

1762
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,159
located on the path of the skinwalker

1763
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,239
that has had a lot of

1764
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:51,760
strange

1765
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,719
and all kinds of things like that

1766
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,960
so i think that's how most of us

1767
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,280
know about the skinwalkers

1768
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:03,679
but it is from a native american

1769
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,640
uh

1770
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,560
legend of course

1771
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,120
but oh my goodness now

1772
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:10,960
for someone

1773
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,640
that is just entering into

1774
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,760
the study of of those things that you're

1775
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,440
heavily involved in and have been for

1776
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:20,880
many years

1777
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:23,679
where do we start i guess you know maybe

1778
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,719
with your books is a good place to start

1779
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,080
but

1780
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:30,640
are there things that we can do

1781
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,440
uh

1782
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,040
in our daily lives that just

1783
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:36,560
you know we could

1784
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,159
cleanse ourselves or to uh

1785
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:42,000
you know affect our lives in a positive

1786
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,440
way

1787
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,159
yeah well there's there's certainly a

1788
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,080
prayer should be a part of what everyone

1789
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,040
does and prayer is not

1790
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,960
connected to any religious tradition no

1791
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,360
religious tradition owns prayer

1792
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,320
prayer is how we dial into what sources

1793
01:13:03,110 --> 01:12:59,199
us

1794
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,120
how we move ourselves into dialogue

1795
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,120
with what sources us

1796
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:08,000
that if you're not in dialogue with what

1797
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,440
sources you

1798
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:10,320
um

1799
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:11,440
then you're

1800
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,400
primarily living your life by default

1801
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,880
meaning you're living your life simply

1802
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,760
responding to what comes up next

1803
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,840
making the decisions that way as opposed

1804
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,800
to being an interactive relationship

1805
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,440
with the force that creates galaxies

1806
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:29,440
then the other thing is be in a

1807
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,560
relationship with your ancestors now uh

1808
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,960
call out to them in fact i have a i

1809
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,960
would say to those wise and redeemed

1810
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,840
ancestors those holy ancestors who love

1811
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,679
me and who walk with me those known and

1812
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,080
unknown seen and unseen

1813
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,560
named and unnamed i love you i honor you

1814
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,159
i thank you and then i'll ask them for

1815
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,320
questions always know

1816
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:52,560
that there are spirits that walk with

1817
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,360
you

1818
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,920
no one gets into this life alone

1819
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,159
no one can stay here alone you entered

1820
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,400
here through an ancestral stream

1821
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,719
that you're co-mingled in and that had

1822
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,239
people say i didn't like any of my

1823
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:06,400
ancestors and i tell them you knew all

1824
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,719
35 000 years of them i don't think so

1825
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,280
you know and if you go get uh i love

1826
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,880
this now that we can get our blood

1827
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,080
tested

1828
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,239
because when we got uh like uh some of

1829
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,080
my students sent for me to have that

1830
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,080
mitochondrial test

1831
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:24,719
and mine came back and it had

1832
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:28,800
35 000 years of history

1833
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,440
and all i could think of was that 35 000

1834
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,000
years of wisdom

1835
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:38,080
of power and of guidance

1836
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,520
walking with me

1837
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,040
the other thing is

1838
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:43,600
something i call claim your head claim

1839
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:44,719
your head

1840
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:46,960
when you get up in the morning there are

1841
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,159
many forces that are more than willing

1842
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,719
to claim uh the direction of your

1843
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,080
attention

1844
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,560
first you claim it

1845
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,120
plug in it's even if it's during coffee

1846
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,920
plug into the sacred enter into dialogue

1847
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,400
with it plug into the spirit world to

1848
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,040
the ancestors and other spirits that

1849
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,360
that you may know about

1850
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:11,600
and ask them for their help clean your

1851
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,640
head

1852
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,480
and then spiritual cleansing that's got

1853
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:16,800
to be ongoing

1854
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:20,480
because a weeded an unweeded garden will

1855
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,360
eventually get choked out

1856
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,480
oh wow

1857
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,520
and so that's a great metaphor yeah

1858
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,840
thank you and in fact that my books are

1859
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:32,320
conjuring the crossroads one uh

1860
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,080
i wrote that because i really wanted

1861
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,040
my understanding of the simple but

1862
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,520
powerful folk practices

1863
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:42,880
of the south

1864
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,920
to be useful and to make sense

1865
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,679
for people who weren't who didn't grow

1866
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:49,040
up around burning that culture for

1867
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,640
people to have things that were

1868
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,320
accessible that they could do that they

1869
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,560
could claim sovereignty

1870
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:56,640
over their lives

1871
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,840
uh working these powerful uh magical

1872
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,040
practices

1873
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,520
so i of course you know i'd get dummy to

1874
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,360
say i don't recommend that book right

1875
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,520
this is my book but and i do recommend

1876
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,080
it because i i've had people

1877
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:12,320
i get i get emails that would make you

1878
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:13,280
weak

1879
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,760
um i get i've had emails from people

1880
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,719
that said i was giving up on life

1881
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,040
until i read the book and started doing

1882
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:23,679
these practices and now it's almost as

1883
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,030
yeah and those bring me to tears because

1884
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:33,040
those are the kinds of folks

1885
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,640
i want this work to reach you know is

1886
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,320
people who are trying

1887
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,159
to live a happy life

1888
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,239
and they feel like a tire that's slowly

1889
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,239
deflating and it's attached that still

1890
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,800
has a slow leak they can't quake it at

1891
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,440
and to take this kind of work and enter

1892
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,280
into an interactive

1893
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:52,800
choice driven

1894
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,679
uh

1895
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:54,640
life

1896
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,719
and not let the forces around them claim

1897
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,550
absolutely

1898
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,199
a little preachy there yeah

1899
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,679
amen

1900
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,199
talk about it

1901
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,440
i tell you it's it's really interesting

1902
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:13,920
and and certainly the the whole

1903
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,640
self-awareness thing uh i i would

1904
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,480
imagine would be key

1905
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,199
as you approach anything like this try

1906
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:22,960
to be you know

1907
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,679
your authentic self or just be your

1908
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,600
authentic self just

1909
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:29,440
and if you do that you're not going to

1910
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,080
get into trouble i would think

1911
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,480
absolutely and and you know the flip

1912
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,640
side of that is i've had people come and

1913
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,600
go right i don't know

1914
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,159
what to pray for or to work

1915
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,320
spells for to word magic i don't i don't

1916
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,400
know i don't know

1917
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:48,239
what i want in life and you'd be

1918
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,600
surprised

1919
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,440
how how many people are in that position

1920
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,360
because they've never really

1921
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,719
really kind of stopped they've always

1922
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,880
maybe lived for others

1923
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,640
uh and uh

1924
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,800
but not lived for themselves

1925
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,960
and this concept of knowing what it what

1926
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,239
they want to be and what they want to do

1927
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,679
with their lives

1928
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,840
is something very new so i always say

1929
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:09,600
pray to the source in whatever way you

1930
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:10,640
do

1931
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,120
for the knowing of your needs

1932
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:14,880
that should be the first thing you pray

1933
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,360
for and do magic for is the knowing of

1934
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,990
is that because

1935
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,760
one sort of has to take care of

1936
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,159
themselves before

1937
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,320
they can help anybody else

1938
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,719
well i mean it is uh

1939
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,040
it's also just to find out what what it

1940
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,960
is that you need in life what will

1941
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,239
fulfill you

1942
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,199
you know quite often the guidance on

1943
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,440
what we want or need in our life

1944
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,840
uh comes from outside

1945
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,960
of us

1946
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,880
in fact we find ourselves shaped by the

1947
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:50,880
forces outside of us

1948
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:54,000
instead of by the forces inside of us

1949
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,600
you know we want to be in the driver's

1950
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,400
seat of our lives and magic is a way of

1951
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:00,400
doing that and all of these practices

1952
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,520
these ways

1953
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:04,320
are a way of doing that of claiming your

1954
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:06,880
life you know

1955
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,040
i'm laughing because uh

1956
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:11,520
in the chat room der is asking someone

1957
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,550
but i'm going to ask it for him anyway

1958
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,040
it says uh

1959
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:23,760
ask renee to ask orion if there are any

1960
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:27,120
aromatics punk or burning of natural

1961
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,350
oh yeah i mean cedarwood i know

1962
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:34,719
cedarwood

1963
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,480
uh

1964
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,000
have you ever worked with something

1965
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,199
called palo santo paulo santo oh i love

1966
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:45,360
it oh my gosh

1967
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:46,560
i just

1968
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,400
drives me crazy

1969
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:52,560
to smell it's so good

1970
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,760
oh it's so clean and pure and powerful

1971
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,280
amazing

1972
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:58,960
and you know something to say so that's

1973
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,120
just a few things to burn in your house

1974
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,199
but other things people need to remember

1975
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,920
that for cleansing uh when you do

1976
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,080
cleansing and clearing on yourself

1977
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,480
also cleansing clear your house

1978
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,840
because

1979
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:14,000
spiritual forces get trapped in there

1980
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:14,640
and

1981
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,679
get on a regular schedule with

1982
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,440
maintaining the

1983
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:27,679
spiritual dimension of yourself and of

1984
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:30,080
your your house you will see things

1985
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,679
change in your life so quickly you won't

1986
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,679
believe it

1987
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:36,239
and are there different ways that you

1988
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,760
can do it like

1989
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,960
and and does it largely depend on

1990
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:43,199
what it is that you're that you have in

1991
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:44,800
your intention that you have in your

1992
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,800
mind like i might take a uh you know

1993
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,120
a branch of of cedar

1994
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,480
and go through my house and or go around

1995
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,120
outside on the four corners of the house

1996
01:21:02,950 --> 01:20:59,440
things like that but somebody else might

1997
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:02,960
use uh you know palo santo or or they

1998
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:03,760
might

1999
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:06,719
do some other thing with sea salt or

2000
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,320
is it really more about

2001
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,480
you than it is about

2002
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,719
the sort of specific

2003
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,719
props if you don't mind me using that

2004
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,159
word

2005
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,400
well i would say it's about both like

2006
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,800
for instance the native wisdoms around

2007
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,360
cedar or sage or sweetgrass

2008
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:28,960
uh the reason that that practice has

2009
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,280
been passed down

2010
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,199
is because it works

2011
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,000
and because it always works

2012
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:38,960
and one of the things that i've often

2013
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,120
said is that

2014
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,679
sometimes i'm off my game right which

2015
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,040
means um i'm lacking clarity

2016
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,360
uh and uh

2017
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,520
and i'm lacking a feeling of connection

2018
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,040
maybe i'm in the middle of a trauma or a

2019
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,280
crisis time i'm just

2020
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,120
off balance

2021
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:59,040
but if i have some of the traditional

2022
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,480
lore

2023
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,440
even if i'm off balance the likelihood

2024
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:04,960
is it's not

2025
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,440
so for instance the sage of the sweet

2026
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,280
grass and these things they're not

2027
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,679
powerful to do what they do

2028
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,480
because we think they're powerful

2029
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,560
they're powerful because the elders

2030
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,440
discovered over centuries of time

2031
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:21,440
they have that independent power in and

2032
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,239
of themselves

2033
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:26,719
yeah so i always tell people try to make

2034
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,920
sure

2035
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,760
that you're working you know it's one

2036
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,040
thing to just

2037
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,960
you know grab whatever's kind of nearby

2038
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,760
and that's useful but also try to find

2039
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,960
out what

2040
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,719
older traditions

2041
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:40,080
teach about

2042
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:41,920
spiritual cleansing and what they say is

2043
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,960
useful and that they have passed on

2044
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,280
they pass these things on

2045
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,199
because they work

2046
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,560
and no

2047
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:52,639
exactly so you don't have to figure that

2048
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,600
out

2049
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,400
you can have tools in your toolbox

2050
01:23:03,110 --> 01:22:59,760
uh ready ready to use you know

2051
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,120
every that have tried and true effects

2052
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,639
right so it is very the ingredients you

2053
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:08,880
know into your ritual are are very

2054
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:11,280
important and it's sort of a partnership

2055
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,400
between

2056
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,400
those things and you

2057
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,400
and your intent now you're talking yeah

2058
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,880
now you're talking the old traditional

2059
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:21,120
way the old traditional way

2060
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:21,760
in

2061
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:31,199
that they are

2062
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:34,880
beings they are people their spirit

2063
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,000
and so these stones these herbs these

2064
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:40,320
things that we're working with are

2065
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,360
persons and if we come to them because

2066
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:45,199
we're asking them we're working with

2067
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,239
them

2068
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,440
for help or right because they have a

2069
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,639
power

2070
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,880
that for some reason we feel that we

2071
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,120
don't or we don't have enough of at that

2072
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,320
time so if i burn cedar for instance

2073
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,040
it's because i need cleansing and

2074
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:03,120
because i feel that that

2075
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:04,080
herb

2076
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:07,040
has the power to do that more efficiency

2077
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,830
yeah absolutely the fact that i'm going

2078
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:18,320
to this powerful spirit being named

2079
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,280
cedar

2080
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:20,880
and for that

2081
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,920
i'm going to get much more benefit right

2082
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,080
when we honor the power of what we're

2083
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,639
working with and the personhood of what

2084
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,199
we're working with then it opens out its

2085
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,320
spirit core to work with us

2086
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,679
wow

2087
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,520
that is really in it it's very

2088
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:39,760
interesting how you said you know

2089
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,639
they're persons you know and i know that

2090
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,719
certainly in

2091
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:47,120
the native american culture

2092
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,080
uh

2093
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,560
these things that are used like there's

2094
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,320
a tobacco

2095
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,880
that they call the ancient one

2096
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,920
and

2097
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,400
it was grown you know in a primeable

2098
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,960
forest and they kept the

2099
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:02,719
you know kept it and there's just for

2100
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,280
very little left and they use it very

2101
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,000
very rarely and a medicine man said that

2102
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:09,840
you know a medicine man could live his

2103
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:12,800
whole life and never use it because you

2104
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,679
only use it in the most dire or the most

2105
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,239
important of circumstances

2106
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,360
because it's becoming so scarce and

2107
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:23,280
it's so powerful

2108
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,639
but they refer to it as the ancient one

2109
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,760
wow

2110
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,000
and it doesn't sound like a thing it

2111
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,320
sounds like a person doesn't it

2112
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,800
absolutely well that's how the old uh

2113
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,280
the old workers across tradition spoke

2114
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,280
to them like when the witch would go out

2115
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,040
into the woods to collect his or her

2116
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:44,080
herbs they weren't going out to collect

2117
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,440
a symbol

2118
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,520
of anything they were going out

2119
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,040
to ask

2120
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:50,960
a powerful being

2121
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:52,840
for the help of its

2122
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,080
power and they were going out in special

2123
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,320
ways whether that's offering making

2124
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:00,880
offerings special times

2125
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:08,070
to to gather this tower

2126
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,199
you know to help their workings you know

2127
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,320
um when we work in those kinds of ways

2128
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:15,760
we find

2129
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,040
that then when we go to these these um

2130
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,040
these beings the plant the stones

2131
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,120
whatever um

2132
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,280
that we're coming at them in a different

2133
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,760
way they don't see us as well here comes

2134
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,360
daddy human always trying to take

2135
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,600
something

2136
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:33,520
a family

2137
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:39,350
wow

2138
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,390
i mean

2139
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,120
it sounds very much like you know maybe

2140
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,639
these things are things that have been

2141
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:53,040
with us that we knew about

2142
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:53,920
have

2143
01:27:02,790 --> 01:26:59,040
and sort of uh vilified

2144
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,800
and made to appear negative and evil and

2145
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,520
devilish and satanic and

2146
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:08,000
and all that um

2147
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,960
and

2148
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,280
it's something that you know

2149
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,120
we should maybe reacquaint ourselves

2150
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,840
with in in it and i think that

2151
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:18,000
you know possibly people are more open

2152
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,199
to that

2153
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:21,840
right now because they're more open to

2154
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,639
questioning authorities questioning our

2155
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,880
programming

2156
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,120
i think so i think and i think there's

2157
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:31,360
this thing that gets left out and the

2158
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,000
discussions about why magic

2159
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,600
has become a folk magic has become

2160
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,840
such an interest to people

2161
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,199
is there's this other thing that we

2162
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:43,600
leave out it's because the ancestors

2163
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,480
want us to go back to our roots i have a

2164
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:48,560
saying you cannot bless

2165
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,310
we're being called back

2166
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,320
by the forces that live at the very

2167
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,120
foundations of life to come back and

2168
01:28:03,390 --> 01:28:00,880
shore up the roots

2169
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,400
of our relationship with life the

2170
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,520
inter-relationships and invisible

2171
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,000
aspects of life

2172
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:10,080
so that we can get ourselves back on

2173
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,840
track of

2174
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,199
i fear

2175
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:14,639
if we don't

2176
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:17,440
um we're in danger as a species because

2177
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,080
of our ecological choices our ecological

2178
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,400
choices are not acknowledging

2179
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,880
the sacred uh again that sacred and

2180
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:27,520
visible relationship between this thing

2181
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,560
oh my gosh orion i'm sorry the music is

2182
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:32,560
rolling and we got just a couple more

2183
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,880
seconds to go thank you so much the time

2184
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,000
flew by

2185
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,360
orion foxwood go to orionfoxwood.com

2186
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,520
get his books and see where he's going

2187
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,280
to be showing up next

2188
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,120
thank you so much

2189
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,360
thank you what an honor to be on here oh

2190
01:29:05,350 --> 01:28:49,199
it was wonderful thank you